Done with the Drama

Once again (and aren’t we all just sick of this) bloggers all over the Outlander Clandom are writing about the war between the S-shippers and NSTs. Yet another battle a couple of days ago that drew in a journalist and made her SM time a living hell for hours (and there seem to be issues ongoing two days later). In the end, in concern for her safety, she ‘softened’ her ‘tone’ on an article that was in no way inflammatory unless someone chose to make it so. Many did. See her response here on FB:

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One of the sweetest ladies I know on Twitter sent out a plea not only for people to stop attacking her for voicing her opinion/feelings – but for her friends stop telling her to just ‘get over it’. I watched her try for hours to converse with some of the people involved in the mess; being incredibly kind and patient and all she got in return was slapped. It’s very sad.


Two blogs have been written on Tumbler in the last couple of days by the same lady and they are spot on. Clear, concise – addressing the issue without attacking any specific person. If someone gets pissy about these commentaries, it tells me the shoe is fitting them a bit too well. These are on Tumbler (which I tend to avoid as a rule) but are well worth the read if you haven’t seen them already.




I’d love to see this happen. Shippers are going to ship and, while I disagree with the practice of shipping RL people (think I’ve made that perfectly clear in the past), the only person on the planet I can control is ME. With that in mind….here is the deal for me as a fan of the Outlander phenomenon and all the marvelous people that make it happen.

 I don’t give two bloody shakes about what you do on your own timeline or in private conversations. I’d raise a serious eyebrow of doubt if ANY fan did not admit to at least one smoking fantasy with some celebrity at some point in their life. Normal….I have (though not with Sam). I’ve even known people who write them out as a fiction/fantasy story – and some are quite good. Shared PRIVATELY. Or…if the writing really is good….change the names and enough of the circumstances to avoid embarrassing yourself and let others see it.

What I can’t grasp is how anyone who claims to be a “fan” of ANY ‘celebrity’ – in this case Sam & Caitriona – would purposely do or write things that would embarrass them, make them angry or even hurt them. How is that being a ‘fan’?! How are being nasty to other ‘fans’, cyber-stalking, actual stalking, mobbing people that disagree with you, using foul language, threatening violence/sexual assault and basically being a vile human being things that would endear you to the very person/people you ‘fan’? Having such toxic followers – and it IS getting around the media that a small percentage of the Outlander fandom is extremely toxic and has caused some to stop covering Outlander – might limit Sam & Caitriona’s chances at future jobs because the producers don’t want to deal with it. It might give STARZ/Sony serious pause about renewing for a fifth season of Outlander. The fandom is very vocal about how much pull they think they have (voting for various polls/awards, Twitter/FB trending, live tweets, etc.) so that means they can have just as much a negative effect as a positive one.

How would any one of you feel if some person you didn’t know watched your every move on social media, then wrote explicit sex scenes between you and a co-worker they picked off your company website and posted them all over social media for the world to see? Discussed your sex life and who you may or may not be fucking? (yes – I saw a screen cap of comments made about Sam and that was the language used). How would any one of you feel if you got hundreds to thousands of tweets/IG’s/FB comments a DAY telling you who you should be shagging in your own private life? That you should just get busy and make babies with a specific person? What you should do, who you should be with, how to conduct your personal affairs? Had these same people sending tweets or other SM messages to your friends/family/co-workers accusing them of lying to cover up a relationship you have denied or asking why they aren’t supporting the relationship that is there? This is what some – supposed – “fans” are doing on a daily basis. And before anyone starts screaming – BOTH sides of this war are guilty of all these things. (To clarify…not all from either side are doing all these things. There is a small percentage making a whole group/faction look bad.)

For those of you – on either/any side – engaging in these sorts of behaviors….realize you are not a fan. You are purposely doing things to hurt others including the objects of your supposed affection. I’m not talking about ‘shipping’. I mean the list (in italics) two paragraphs above. There is no excuse for that sort of behavior and I seriously hope civil and/or criminal charges will start being brought against people who do things like this.

For those of you who choose to get offended about EVERYTHING…..get over yourselves already. A note about William Shatner here. He is who he is. Anyone who has followed him for even a few days should be able to see he has a very acerbic sense of humor. He is caustic and can seem very offending if you choose to take it that way. He’s taken a couple of slaps at me – I laughed. I understood the source and didn’t assume he was ‘attacking’ me or being mean – he was just being himself. If you don’t like his style and personality – stop following/interacting with him. It really is that simple. If you truly feel he has gone off the deep offensive end, report it and move on. Oh….and if you manipulate a harsh response from someone, pushing them to say something they wouldn’t normally – don’t pansy out and cry victim. If you started something, own it.

I am not easily offended. If someone calls me a fat-assed cow (yes I’ve been called that) it stings a bit but I realize the person is obviously stupid and move on. I assume people that stoop to such things have no concept of social skills or their own sense of self and pity them. Why get offended by stupidity? That is where I am with this whole war. The people that are stooping to this vile behavior (again…I am NOT talking about shipping in and of itself, even though I don’t agree with the practice) you are not worth my time, energy or emotions. I’ll spare you some pity that you are so miserable in your own life you feel you must attack others – but I have other things to do. I like Outlander, Sam, Cait and the other people involved in the show – but it is not the center of my universe.

For those of you being attacked for stating your own thoughts/feelings/ideas – report where appropriate, take legal steps if necessary and keep this in mind:

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If you don’t agree with me – that’s fine. Be respectful – use your grown up words to articulate your displeasure and/or thoughts. If you want to take a slap at me in the comments, that is ok too – but use your name. I won’t post anything under ‘anonymous’ as that is just a lame cop-out. You have an opinion, own it.

Note: I did a very slight edit for clarification.


I left ‘home’ (our sailboat) on July 12, 2016 to help my mate deliver (sail) another sailboat from San Diego back up to San Francisco for a friend. The job was supposed to take about two weeks max and be sort of a working vacation for my guy. He got paid for this and it got him out away from his daily grind and on the water sailing.

Unfortunately, there were several mechanical/electrical/engine problems that delayed us many days and we just finally got back to San Fran and our own boat yesterday (8/6/16). During this time I was seldom on the computer and when I was it was to check email and touch base with my BFF in Portugal.

I must say I did NOT miss all the whining, insults, mud-slinging, name calling, and nastiness that the Outlander fandom is in the midst of. Looking on Twitter today – SMH – if anything things seem to have gotten worse and I know I haven’t really seen any of the ‘bad’ stuff.

Here is the deal with me in this ‘war’…..I hate IRL ‘shipping’ – especially when the REAL people have made it very clear in statements they are NOT a couple. I don’t hate the people DOING the shipping – I hate the shipping itself. I don’t know the people involved – I don’t attack them personally. I will always stand against that practice. I’ve done blogs on this specifically if you want to review. Why I Hate RL ‘shipping’ and Serious Line: Fan to Fanatic

There are many in the Outlander Clandom that want to get away from all the crap and fighting and be positive. Mika (@A_Badassunicorn) came up with the idea of #HugsforHeughan today as some ‘fans’ had been vile on his timeline recently. I thought, ‘why not a person each day of the week’……then I thought ‘why not expand it to EVERY day’! Maybe we can find a # that will trend easily and can be used for ALL these tweets/positive energy. #ThankfulFor or #AppreciationTweet or #GivingLuvs

Here is a calendar I just threw together. Feel free to use it, copy it, post it, share it, print it off, add to it, change it or just make your own.  I used people’s birthdates where I knew them (i.e. Cait’s birthday is Oct 4 so her day is the 4th of any given month, etc.). Once I got people in by birthdates, I filled in the blanks with people whose birthdays I didn’t know/couldn’t find and other areas that should be singled out for praise and acknowledgement (IMHO).

Calendar of Luvs and Appreciation

This is by no means an exhaustive listing – I put this together in about 20 minutes. If you really dislike someone on the list or just don’t feel enough to give them time, replace them with someone you think is important/special to you! Add others! HECK! Cut the Outlander stuff down and put in other actors or friends or groups or whatever you think deserve some LUVS!

The idea is to have a visual reminder that someone, somewhere could use and deserves some LUV & APPRECIATION every single day. I personally want to get into a habit of dishing out good, positive vibes and having this visual reminder will help me do that.

We will not all agree on everything about Outlander, it’s actors or any of the people associated with it. We will not all like each other or some of the things we do. We CAN all stay more positive, not make personal attacks and have fun without being snotty. It’s a choice. Choose wisely. (or you know, you’ll wither away to a creepy skeleton and the ceiling will fall in burying what’s left)

I am NOT an Outlander Fan!

This is a guest post from my partner & Outmander, Kyle. He does not have a platform to express things like this so I’m letting him use mine. This is his opinion expressed in his own way – I just copied and pasted.


Why am I not an outlander fan? Several hours of thought after returning home from seeing Ron Moore in San Francisco, I realized that I do not qualify to be an Outlander fan. I am thankful for this.

I was reading all of the Q&A that Ron did after watching the SF Giants ball game and he gave an interesting response to a question. Someone had asked him if he enjoys writing or producing more. His response was enlightening. He said “I’m a writer”. That is how he introduces himself. Not I’m a producer, nor a show runner, but a writer.

This got me thinking where I fit with the Outlander fandom and where “my place in the world” is. I have had the opportunity to meet some of the people that make the show happen and each and every time I find myself really respecting the individual for who they are. Not exclusively for what they mean to the show, but who they are as a person. This has always been the most striking and eye opening aspect of getting to meet the “real person” behind the social or otherwise media persona. I realized then and there that I am NOT an Outlander fan!

I am a Ron Moore fan.

Now don’t get me wrong, I love the show. I think that it is an amazing adaptation of a great series of novels, by a truly gifted author. I have been (almost without exception) overwhelmingly struck by how well it plays on the screen. I am in awe of the talent of the cast and the depth of feeling they bring to the show each and every week. Amazing performances by not only the lead actors, but so many of the supporting cast as well. This show truly makes you believe in it. I am also constantly shocked by how intense and accurate the crew and staff have managed to create a backdrop and construction of an entire world out of our time and make it believable. That takes some major talent on the entire crew’s part. All of those people that we never see or hear about that make the “real stuff” happen. They all deserve our applause and admiration.

While appreciating all of this I still don’t think that I’m an Outlander fan. You see I love much more of Ron’s work than just Outlander. Truth be told I’m much more a Battlestar Galactica fan. I also love the work that he has done with other shows such as Star Trek. To me Ron Moore is more of a person than a show. That may seem odd, but here it is. So many of the “fans” that I read and interact with on social media on other venues seem to have this pair of “Outlander glasses” on. As far as I can tell they break down into two specific groups. The first group, the “uber fan”, seems to think that no matter what, if it has to do with Outlander it is wonderful, amazing, perfect, and just plain “the best thing ever”. Now, this might seem like the result that the staff and studios are shooting for, I however see several problems with that. The most obvious being that the person, actor, director, crew, producer, writer etc. gets lost in the mix.

Take for instance the Gaelic consultant Àdhamh Ó Broin (another that I have been fortunate to meet and get to know somewhat). To the typical “fan” if you mention his name the response will probably be “who”? If you continue with “he’s the Gaelic consultant for Outlander”, the response gets changed to “Oh, yes! Great guy! They are doing SO well with my favorite show!” The person himself gets lost. I am pleased to say that yes, he is a great guy. He is almost singlehandedly bringing a “lost” Gaelic dialect back from extinction. He is so involved in the resurgence of the almost lost culture of Scotland and he’s a fine warm and caring person as well. He is really “quite the kick” to be around.

I have not had the opportunity to meet any of the cast members but I am sure that this holds true for them as well. I have seen a lot of what Sam Heughan is doing with his charities and other projects. I know that Caitriona Balfe, Tobias Menzies and Graham McTavish have their own projects, charities and such going on as well. I loved Graham’s performance in The Finest Hours. I just have not had the privilege of meeting them yet.

Then there is the “second group” of fans. I would almost rename them “slams”. These are the people that for whatever reason, make it their mission to find fault. To them, nothing that Ron is doing fits with “their” view of the books and is therefore taboo. Jamie’s hair is not red enough. Why did they remove my favorite scene (even though it did nothing to move the plot forward)? Claire should be this way, etc. Anything that sits outside of their mental image or interpretation of the material is “wrong”. And they are very vocal in letting people know about it. A sub-group of this class of fan is what I call “the Jamie show” fan. Nothing, and I mean nothing else is important at all. The other actors, the time and effort that it takes to put on a production of this scope, the decisions that have to be made for plot movement, time, cost, etc. None of that matters. It’s all about Jamie/ Sam Heughan. This second group is the reason that I almost completely, stay away from the fandom.

Now both of these groups do have a few things in common. They both, for whatever reason, feel that the show “owes them something”. In some cases that may be a debt payment of staying more strictly with the books. Many times I find these “negative Nellie’s” so mentally draining that I retreat to protect my sanity. In others it may expose itself as a sense of “entitlement”. For instance the “We are the biggest fans, we deserve this person’s full attention. All others Stay Away”!

I’m sure that the average “fan” fits somewhere in the middle of these extremes, but these “sane ones” are not at all vocal. I rarely hear from them on social media or in other forums. I do interact with them if I happen to meet them at some gathering such as Àdhamh’s west coast Gaelic instruction tour both this year and last. These are the people simply sitting in the room enjoying the reason for being there. Their interest in an aspect of the show, a person involved in it, or as in that case, an understanding of the Gaelic language. They seem to be the “silent majority” to steal a well-known phrase. It’s the outlying ends of the fandom that make all the noise.

Both sides of this coin have, in my opinion, missed the point. For them it is all about the show. For me it is all about the people. The extreme positions of both sides have turned me off to the whole “fandom” aspect of Outlander. I retreat from the social media interaction of it to keep my sanity and to save my soul. I will continue to love the show. I will do my utmost to learn more about these fabulous people that make this production happen. This means from the top to the bottom. Every contribution is important. I haven’t even touched on writers, costuming, visual effects, set building, or the thousands of other people that make this possible for us all. For me at least, it’s the people, not the show.

If this makes me a Non-Fan, then I’m proud of it.


Girls and Dreams


I had a dream a few nights ago. My dreams aren’t something I’d normally choose to share and write about, but this one has been turning over in my wee brain. One of those times I can’t seem to shake the idea so, to the keyboard I go.


In the dream I was sitting at a computer, though it seemed rather specialized. (FYI – I am NOT a hardware person so please don’t slam descriptions I’m sure I’ll get wrong – besides it was a dream). There was a keyboard, but also lots of knobs and switches and bells and whistles. I was trying to fine tune some music, or some dialog….something auditory. I was frustrated because I just couldn’t get what I was working on to sound like I wanted it to and knew it should sound like. I looked up and the wall that had been in front of me had turned to glass with two guys sitting at a much more complex ‘computer’ system fidgeting with the same bit of audio I was. I had to blink when I realized it was Ron Moore and Bear McCreary.

I don’t supposed the fact that we have finally managed to start listening to Ron’s podcasts had anything to do with this LOL.

I could hear the audio, still not right….then as they fiddled with it, it shifted and flowed and sounded exactly as it should have. I was amazed and blurted out “How the hell did they DO that?!”

The glass wall parted in the middle and slid aside. Ron looked up and said, “Well get in here and we’ll show you!” I hoofed it in promptly to learn at the elbows of greatness…..fade to black.

Why do I relate this rather odd little dream? Why has it been bouncing around in my head insisting I throw it out and let people see it? I think, perhaps, I came up with an answer.

Growing up I was reasonably intelligent. I was raised by dysfunctional parents (alcoholics) and by my grandparents who were both teachers. I was raised very traditionally. I was encouraged to go into teaching. I was told to learn typing and shorthand so I could get a job as a secretary. I didn’t get to take martial arts class with my brothers because it wasn’t ladylike. I bowed to all this because….it’s how I was raised to be. (Fear not….I’ve gotten over my doormat stage in a big way though I do still slip and lie down occasionally when I shouldn’t.)

I had a strong interest in science. Not exactly discouraged – but certainly not encouraged. I loved to perform, but was only really encouraged to learn how to play the piano. I was good enough with very little work to have my teacher happy so I didn’t really apply myself. I think too many girls raised when I was dealt with the same sort of things…..I am concerned too many still are.

What does this have to do with the dream? I have a good ear. Picking out what instrument is playing or a voice on a commercial and knowing what actor it goes to. Picking up sounds – even slight ones – that are ‘off’ and finding problems because of it (very handy skill on a boat). While I didn’t apply myself with hours of rehearsal for singing, my choir masters loved me because I had ‘a good ear’ to adjust things. I did a lot of sound work through school…..helping run the sound board for the jazz choir (did I go out with the sound tech because I liked him and picked up the board or because I was interested in the board and that’s how I could get my hands on it? Interesting question I had not pondered before.) Sound tech (among many other hats) for the theatre department in college. I used that knowledge to step in and run the board for a band whose own tech failed to show up when a scout was coming to listen to them at the bar they were playing. (Guess I did ok – he signed them.) What if I could have done an internship or studied under someone like Bear McCreary? What might my life had been like going completely outside the traditional? I would have very likely pursued something like that – something in performing arts (stage is very addicting both in front of and behind the curtain) but it wasn’t ‘proper’.

I think Ron was in the dream because he is so often mentioned as an advocate for getting more women involved/treated equally and showing them more realistically on screen.

All this has left me pondering in these last few days……how far have we really come in encouraging our kids – especially our females – to really explore their strengths and gifts and reach toward something more than a traditional ‘safe’ job? Something past ‘proper’ and ‘PC’? What if one of my choir directors had really encouraged me to pursue that ‘gift’ of my ‘good ear’ in high school? Had taken the time to help me track down and explore what that might be good for. Would it have eventually led to me sitting in a studio helping tweak the sound to perfectly set scenes for a show like Outlander? Maybe – and wouldn’t that have been cool?!

I guess what it comes down to is – what can each of us do to change that? Encourage the straight guy that likes to play football but has a great eye for color and line and really enjoys working there that it is ok to go into designing women’s clothing. Or to encourage that head cheerleader to use her brains more than her body to advance herself in science or architecture or any other male dominated realm. That mousie, overweight girl (me) that absorbs things when allowed to that might have made a really decent supporting actor with very little encouragement. Traditional and being PC can be so limiting – not allowing for true gifts to be explored and utilized not just for the person possessing them, but all those that person touches. When I make it big as a writer (got to keep those positive thoughts pumping true?) how might I encourage someone else? I definitely haven’t taken a traditional route to get on this path – all my elective classes were geared toward theatre and acting – not writing.

Who do you know that you might be able to encourage? Help out? Steer toward a dream? Who do you know that could help them? How can each of us work towards making a ‘safe’ environment for any kid to express an interest/ability in something that doesn’t quite fit the mold people want to push them into? How about you? What is YOUR dream that may not fit into a neat package? How can you encourage that?

Who am I to comment?

Was pondering some things I wanted to write about Outlander: The Series (watch this space) and realized some people probably wonder who the heck I think I am to have any right to voice an opinion …..usually a lengthy one.

First, I am a person with thoughts and opinions. Like anyone else, I can and do share them. I put them out on a public forum partly because it’s a compulsion to write and partly because I like the interaction that can be obtained from comments about my thoughts.

Second, I have chosen to write (at this point) mostly about books, television and movie stuff which I have a bit of experience with. This is what I thought might be a good idea to share, this experience, so perhaps it will make it easier for people to understand where I’m coming from. Maybe. Hopefully I won’t bore you to death.

I am an avid reader (though I’m in sort of a dry spell just now). Was reading from the time I could (4-5), had gone through the entire Nancy Drew series by 9-10 years old and was bored with them so didn’t continue on to The Hardy Boys. I’ve read across most genres – easy to difficult; fiction and non-fiction. Don’t do much straight ‘horror’ – though I’m somewhat obsessed with vampires. (Salem’s Lot was great.) There are so many books still to read and more coming out all the time. YEA!

In early primary I had a very ‘out there’ sort of teacher. Very unique that went way past the standard curriculum. I was in a 2nd/3rd grade combination class (so 7 – 9 year olds depending on birthdates) and we made a 7 minute animated movie. We all participated and worked through the process. It was fascinating! Now keep in mind, this was also around 1972…….no computers, no digital cameras. We had our character – picture – move a fraction – picture – move another fraction….and so on. Took us weeks to do it all but so much great info – background, movement, lighting, measurements, color, story, and working together as a team.

Late primary I got selected with a group to do a project that was fun. A college class for TV production (I think – long time ago) wanted to do a ‘production’ of “The Gong Show” (man am I dating myself or what) using kids. It was cheesy and fun, but while we didn’t have to do much but sit or stand and say our lines (I got to ring the gong) we got to sit and watch all the work THEY had to do setting up cameras and getting the lights right and tweaking costumes that didn’t work on camera, etc. Again….too early for digital and computer help.

I took theatre classes in high school and participated in several shows – both straight acting and musicals. I was also a member of both an acapella choir and a jazz choir. Mostly stuck with on stage stuff during this time….however…a movie was filmed at my high school and since they wanted to use our newspaper office for a scene, those of us that worked on the paper were tagged to be background in it if needed. We got camped out in the theatre for the day waiting for our call. It was annoying, but necessary and since it was just the six of us that day we got to have lunch with the cast/crew. THAT was cool, entertaining and quite informative. The subject of sex scenes came up and our ‘keeper’ said most people – cast and crew both – hate having to film them. Very difficult as it is supposed to be this intimate thing with people standing around watching. I was the only one tapped for the walk-on bit which ended up being a sit down pretend to be typing bit in a hideous pink sweater (and the scene never made it into the movie). The completed scene took 2 – 3 minutes MAX and we worked on it for about 3 hours. Matthew Modine is a very nice guy by the way.

There was also a program in my home city called “Catch a Rising Star” for teachers to nominate what they considered ‘exceptional’ students to be featured on. Combination of academics, participation in extra-curricular events and community involvement. I spent a day with three people following me all over the school with a big-assed camera and light, asking questions and generally making life complicated. It was cool and many people wanted to talk to me and congratulate me – but others slung a lot of nastiness and hate at me for being singled out. C’est la vie.

College – ah college. Music theatre where I had small parts and helped backstage with lighting and sound mostly. Every one of my elective classes over five years (don’t ask) was theatre/acting oriented. I’m sure had the college offered such a thing I would have had a minor in it at least. It was also my ‘work-study’ program for four years. Students ‘work’ on campus to help pay their way. I did a bit of everything: working with the directors for all sorts of things (some of it quite weird), advertising, house management, properties, lighting, sound, make-up and costumes. I didn’t do much set design/construction mostly because the lead there and I – well we worked best if our interaction with each other was kept to a minimum. He had a great team anyway and I would have been more a hindrance than a help. The last two years I was lead on costumes – yikes. At the same time, I was in the traveling troupe that went around to schools and churches doing skits and programs. As a group we wrote and submitted scripts to the director. We had to come up with outfits for the troupe that were sort of a uniform, but still plain enough to work into each skit (no time or place for actual costume changes). We had to think through what ALL we needed for props and costume that would work for multiple skits and all fit in a single trunk.

It was an amazing time and I loved all of it.

After college, I moved to the small town of Sitka, AK where she who became my best friend (ended up being matron of honor for my second marriage) was also THE director for the towns community theatre. My first show with her was Angry Housewives – what a KICK! If you can ever see that show, do. Couple of moms who need money enter a punk band contest because 1st prize is $500. Considering my highlight song was “Eat Your F*cking Cornflakes”… you some clue as to how funny it is. Did a few other shows, but my second guy had a infant that needed a mom so I made a choice. Now I write.

I don’t relay any of this to brag or say how great I am. What I want to get across is that I have at least a TINY, real experience inkling of what it takes to do a ‘production’. Theatre and TV are completely different animals, yet you have to do many of the same things. It’s really an amazing process!

So, this is my background when I blog. It isn’t ALL my experience or background, but since books/television/movies seem to be my focus at this point, this is what is most pertinent. Please feel free to ask questions in the comments – I love stimulating interaction!

A final, fun – maybe scary – thought:




Gimme Gimme Gimme

I have to say I am getting very disappointed with the Outlander Fandom. For a group that is supposed to skew more ‘mature’ – we certainly don’t portray that way. The childish rants about ‘I want MORE’ are becoming very tiresome. With Season 2 almost upon us and the hoopla with all going on in New York around April 9th, I almost hate being on social media right now.


What is just as disappointing as the whining and complaining, is the silence from the majority to don’t act or think like spoiled children. I do a post like this and I’m a ‘bitch’ and need to stop telling people what to do. I can’t do anything about others perceptions – but what I am doing from MY perspective is pointing out things that concern or just flat annoy me. We, as fans, have a great show and I am so bloody tired of a few, very vocal brats making the whole fandom look like a bunch of immature ninnies.

One thing to keep in mind….this is a TELEVISION show, not a movie. I don’t know of any other television show, ever, to have a red-carpet premier with stars and fans in attendance….yet we got THREE of them for the first season…..LA, NY and London. Most television shows are screened for premiers by people in the industry and a lucky few to win contests or administer huge fan groups. Never do they get something like that for a second season. That is a FILM/Movie thing – not television. I might be wrong as I don’t watch a lot of TV stuff and am not heavily into many other fandoms – I’m sure people will correct me if needed. I would actually be very interested in discussion on this from people IN the industry that really know. I’d also be interested to see comments from people involved with other fandoms either supporting or tearing apart what I’m seeing here. Legitimate discussion and learning is always good!

From what I have seen – the Outlander fandom has been given unprecedented access to the show and the actors. You can’t have it both ways – you want the show to be filmed quickly so we can see it, for the actors to be able to do other projects so you can see more of them, yet you insist on them showing up to personal appearances all over the place that take time. We seem to have way more merchandise than for any other show, but it’s ‘too expensive’. There are incredibly talented artisans in the Outlander fandom that have created some wonderful items, support them.

Supernatural (as an example) is a huge hit and is on its 11th season (I think….might be 10) It didn’t get fanfare when it started, was very LOW budget and the ‘stars’ didn’t do much for appearances till into 2nd season. Even now…they do cons and not much else. How many Q & A things have the Outlander cast and crew done? Some just impromptu on SM, some filmed.

Black Sails is another big hit for STARZ…..not anywhere near the publicity and actor access that Outlander has. I asked around on a Black Sails site. They got ONE premiere party in LA for the first season and the stars have done a couple of cons….that is IT. STARZ simply doesn’t do ‘fan events’ for Black Sails, or at least the group of fans I talked to didn’t know about it and one of the people is a relative of one of the exec producers of the show. One comment I saw a couple of times from this fandom was wanting merchandise from the show (and it lends itself well to such a thing).

We got very spoiled with how Sony/STARZ brought Outlander into being, but really at this point….they don’t NEED to do a lot more fan ‘events’ that cost thousands of dollars and cut into the actors time – both of which are better spent elsewhere. I’d much rather they spend money on giving us an awesome show and getting it into more markets/countries than doing more ‘events’ that not many people out of a huge fandom can go to (lack of time/money/transport/etc.)

All Sony owes is a great show. They give us that. STARZ or whatever the PR entity is for other countries outside the U.S. owe us publicity to INCREASE the fan base and let us all know when/where to watch and if they manage to get some special stuff going for the fans to enjoy. That’s it. That is the job.

I for one am extremely grateful for all STARZ has done for the fans. All the giveaways around Christmas (I was blessed enough to win that three poster set signed by Sam, Cait & Tobias and they are AWESOME posters – not cheap stuff). I appreciate the marvelous show we are getting and all the bits we get in interviews and videos and ‘extra’ stuff. We as a fandom are very lucky and other fandoms are rather jealous…….might be part of why they vote against us so hard in the polls we spend so much time on.